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computers Fuck trusted computing right in the ear
by GMFTatsujin
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(Ask and ye shall receive) on Sep 23, 2002 04:38:30 PM

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Yes, it's another rant about Microsoft. They crippled my Internet. Again.
I'm using IE6 on a Windows XP machine, and it's driving me fucking insane.

Pop-ups all over the place. Cookies from the other end of the fucking earth. Warning notices coming out my ass. A seperate window for every link I want to look at. FUCK!

I was using Mozilla to browse around. I love it. Love, love, love. Tabbed browsing, pop-up killing, ad banner blocking, fast, reliable, flawless password managment, privacy controls and total dominance over what comes and goes on my machine -- I could just spoot all over my workstation at how in control Mozilla put me. The world wide web bowed to my will and thanked me for the priviledge. I was large and in charge.

Now I've got Windows XP on my box and it won't let me install Mozilla. "Unrecognised license" it tells me. "Invalid package signature." "For your protection and enhanced computing experience, you can STICK THIS NON-MS BROWSER UP YOUR ASS," it bleats, and I reach for my chainsaw.

I don't know why all Windows Install error messages aren't like that last one. That's really what it boils down to in the end.

Download Mozilla over and over, a product that worked perfectly fine on Win2K, and I still get nowhere. Error upon error upon error. All I can do is click the "d'aaaahy-okay george" button and move on.

And suffer. Lots and lots of suffering.

What the fuck is this "trusted computing" bullshit when I can't trust my computer to fucking compute???

Thank heavens this isn't happening on my home computer. My entire way of life would be jeopardized. Windows XP, like vampires and cops, won't cross my threshold without being invited first. The police will probably leave my home alone for a while (until somebody starts complaining about the smell) -- But vampires are EVERYWHERE. All I have to do is watch my mouth.

I just want to browse the web my way, is that so wrong?

It used to be computers did what you told them to do, even if that wasn't what you wanted them to do. If what you told them to do was stupid, the computer would break, and then the IT department would earn its keep by publicly humiliating you into using more responsible computing practices. I can live with this. I'm in IT. But now we have finally crossed into a realm that used to live only in the minds of the computer-goofy. The old complaint that "this damn thing has a mind of its own!" has FINALLY COME TO PASS.

Remember: When Windows can decide for itself what code to run and what to reject, THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON.

Do it for the children.

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    Then why do people use and accept this?
    by cxreg(
    gfd messagesAIM
    on Sep 23, 2002 05:58:18 PM
    I'm asking honestly? Why do people seem to find it ok that more and more power and choices are being taken out of their hands? Why don't you refuse to buy it? Or voice your concerns? Or tell your manager (if this is at work)

    Next up on the plate is Palladium where you wont be able to even control what happens with copyrighted content ON YOUR OWN COMPUTER.

    I personally haven't run any version of Windows in 5 years and have been all the happier for it.
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      My guesses...
      by emag
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      on Sep 25, 2002 01:18:25 AM
      1. It comes with the computer, and most people don't have the knowledge/desire/will power to change it

      2. Corporate standards

      3. Support contracts. You'd be amazed how many people were opening support cases for the company I work for, asking two fucking days after the latest W2K service pack came out, if software released two months ago would run on it. Honestly, it takes months for our non-existent QA department to certify something new, so we're not supporting SP3 or whatever it is until some patch/service pack of our own due out god-knows-when. (Don't even ask about XP support, or Mac OS X for that matter)

      4. The Gold Standard. Similar to corporate standards, but worse IMHO since they tend to lock you to a specific, inherently flawed version of the OS and apps. Meaning no service packs, no hotfixes.

      5. "It's free!"

      6. "All the people who know what they're doing use it, and I know what I'm doing"

      If I'm being totally honest, W2K is a vast improvement over NT4 in terms of interface, integration, and ease of use. But that doesn't stop me from still having to take 5 minutes to figure out where the fuck IIS has hidden the menu to "configure" it. I've seen XP, had some coworkers using it, and not only does it seem butt-ugly in its default install, but all that auto-update shit has ended up making their systems incredibly unstable, moreso than even Debian sid at The Worst of Times(tm).

      I only grudgingly use Windows at work, and then only for the absolute bare-minimum, namely some braindead apps that either use IE-specific javascript or worse, ActiveX plugins that appear to do NOTHING other than tell me my connection to the server's not responding and that I have to log in again.
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    Personally, I'm not too happy with Windows in general...
    by dr noise
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    on Sep 23, 2002 06:19:06 PM
    ...but, since I am too damn lazy to learn and run anything but Windows, I keep my complaining to a minimum. I made my own bed. However, I can tolerate Win2k pretty damn well, and I know I'll never have XP on any machine I own. Years down the line when I have to buy a new machine, and nothing but XP or its modern equivalent is available, that's the day I buy a PowerMac, or a SUN, or a PC running Linux. Unless, of course, by that point Microsoft has had all such things destroyed/banished, "for our own convenience."
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      Fuck Windows...
      by kko
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      on Nov 10, 2002 02:21:24 AM
      and fuck you...
      I use OpenBSD at home, and I couldn't be happier....
      I decide what goes into my computer (well, about 80% of what goes into my computer)...
      My current install takes up only 449.9 MB out of my measly 20GB drive (without counting my ogg-filled /home partition)...
      Unfortunately I can't have my way at work (though I'm looking into Mono, so I can spend more time doing C# on some OS other than Win2k)...

      Remember: BSD is for people who love UNIX. Linux is for people who hate Microsoft.
      [Reply to this comment]  [Parent]
      Fuck Windows...
      by kko
      gfd messages
      on Nov 10, 2002 02:21:26 AM
      and fuck you...
      I use OpenBSD at home, and I couldn't be happier....
      I decide what goes into my computer (well, about 80% of what goes into my computer)...
      My current install takes up only 449.9 MB out of my measly 20GB drive (without counting all the oggs in my /home partition)...
      Unfortunately I can't have my way at work (though I'm looking into Mono, so I can spend more time doing C# on some OS other than Win2k)...

      Remember: BSD is for people who love UNIX. Linux is for people who hate Microsoft.
      [Reply to this comment]  [Parent]
    XP pro seems quite happy with Mozilla
    by extone(
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    on Sep 23, 2002 10:09:10 PM
    I have Mozilla running as my default browser right now in XP Pro. The only time i still have to use IE is with the "windows update" shit.

    The only thing keeping me from going completly Linux is proffesional audio software (games as well). But, thanks to osx, i now have the chance to use a unix based system that supports these things, or should support them in the near future. All i need now is the money to get a mac.
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      Me too
      by irni(
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      on Sep 23, 2002 11:47:16 PM
      I am running Mozilla as my default browser on XP without a single problem. So I am not sure exactly what you are experiencing. I have never seen XP do that. And I also have a mac and run MacOS X. So to reply to this thread parent, it is so sweet.
      I run chimera in OS X. but it is really Mozilla CoaCoa Navigator.
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        by GMFTatsujin(Ask and ye shall receive)
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        on Sep 24, 2002 10:35:26 AM
        Stories of victories that aren't mine just make me angry! Tatsujin smash!!!!

        I have some small clues as to what's going on, but I'm still irate at the prospects it holds for the future. The desktop development guy who configured the image that all our computer are based on discovered a... um... slight inconsistency... with the license key installed on the image vis a vis a license key that Microsoft would recognise as legal. So he retrofitted the desktops with a.... um... more procedurally consistent... license key.

        Yeah, he fucking dropped a pirated key on all the Windows XP machines on campus. That's fucking brilliant. Once we found out, we fixed it, and as far as I know the vultures still haven't picked his carcass clean enough to slip out from under the ropes.

        But I think the "fix" didn't really stick, and Mozilla won't install (actually, for subject-verb-object agreement, Windows XP won't install Mozilla) because somewhere deep in its little fucking mind, some schitzophrenic lump of code thinks that it's a pirated version of Windows. This is a MS retrofitting utility, you understand.

        I'll probably have to rebuild. Fucking YAY.
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    Always trust content from the Gator corporation
    by zaxon(huk~)
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    on Sep 25, 2002 11:11:50 AM
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    works for me
    by fellacious(
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    on Jun 20, 2010 01:24:19 AM
    I've never had a problem getting Mozilla to run on Windows. Mozilla was designed to run on Windows- that's why it has XPCOM inside, to be able to use Windows COM-like interfaces on the other platforms it runs on. Maybe you have a virus or a pirated copy of Windows or you're just an idiot?

    Why are you running XP anyway? That shit is almost 10 years old, you have as much right to complain about it being broken as you have to complain about MacOS 9.1 or Red Hat 7.1. Install 7 already.
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      Dude, really?
      by The Gaborg(Sidekick in my own life)
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      on Oct 7, 2010 05:53:51 AM
      Can't you even read the fucking date on a rant?
      You're aware tha Da Innnunetz was already around before you graduated 8th grade, right?
      [Reply to this comment]  [Parent]
    Seriously, fuck Windows.
    by grandtheftcondom(
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    on Dec 19, 2011 01:01:08 AM
    Even its newer versions. Espeically its newer versions. It's almost like Microsoft is completely relying on its name at this point to keep selling PCs to people. I have cursed this evil Windows Vista I have to deal with ever since the day I used it. Seriously,
    FUCK Windows
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    by murdersgalore(wacking@yourfuneral.cum)
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    on Dec 19, 2011 12:24:33 PM
    You know it's the user's ineptitude when so many results for using the same combination of code ends with such varied results. It's funny to look back into the past and see people hating on XP. The version of windows that, 10 years later, many a geek still refuses to upgrade from because it's oh-so-good.
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